Not even your own data… How is this compatible with a decentralised P2P network??
“No amount of window dressing can change the nature of the World Economic Forum – a club for capitalism’s elites”
[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/25/davos-world-economic-forum-capitalism-plutocracy](The high priests of plutocracy all meet at Davos. What good can come from that?)
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Oh, I didn’t mean that in the literal sense; I was just kidding; I was just being humorous! Don’t mind, please…
See! Told you – they’re all a bunch of socialists! Hahaha!
Fight the Great Reset with the Greater Reset: Privatize Everything! EVERYTHING!
Because we appear to be living in the midst of a “banana republic”-style “divide and conquer” information war, I like to highlight when I see communications which match the patterns used by disinformation agents. I see some of these patterns in this thread. For example:
– “Name-calling” (a propaganda technique, of course) important people or institutions “socialist”. This is a label repeated ad nauseam against politicians and institutions in order to demonize and delegitimize them.
– The invocation of black-and-white, absolutist ideology, e.g. “everything should be privatized.” Ideology is a tool to divide communities and have them engaging in power struggles with each other, over little more than meaningless nonsense / busywork. This, of course, gets them to waste their time and attention, which could otherwise be used in addressing their shared, very real problems.
– Asserting with an air of certainty that something as - to be generous - highly questionable as “privatizing everything” is a reasonable idea. Privatizing police? Privatizing tax collection? Privatizing the courts? These ideas are absurd. More reasonable than believing that this idea is made in good faith by an informed person is the idea that the person asserting this is simply a disinformation agent. Of course, I don’t know the intentions of people when they say and do things. This is just how it occurs to me, in part because the idea occurs to me as so completely absurd and also because I recognize other communication tactics of disinformation agents in this thread. (Of course, the person could simply be repeating things that they don’t understand, or they could have some deep and insightful understanding on the topic, which defies what I consider to be common sense.)
– One unofficial post by a single person on the WEF website is being used out of context (see the - admittedly vague and tepid - disclaimer on the page) in order to support the claim that the WEF is socialist. I’ve heard this idea repeated by others which has me believe that it’s being repeated in different communities in order to have them believe something which only helps to undermine the stability of institutions. Here’s the page, which includes the disclaimer: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/how-life-could-change-2030/ It’s not an official WEF statement, or anything remotely resembling that.
– Highly questionable assertions, with highly questionable evidence, in support of the idea that Western institutions (which intend to forward the interests of Western democracies) are corrupt or evil. According to Yuri Bezmenov, we need to strengthen our institutions during the Destabilization Phase (the phase we appear to be in) of the Ideological Subversion process. We do not want to further question them and allow them to be destroyed through a constant barrage of claims of corruption, illegitimacy, etc.
Please everyone, seriously consider the possibility that we are in the middle of an information war meant to destroy the institutions of society. If you want to know more about why I believe this is extremely reasonable - far more reasonable than believing that this process is happening organically - see https://activemeasurespod.com where I have collected some of the original documents which inform my perspective, and where I have also shared some commentary. Yuri Bezmenov left us the blueprint for how open societies are destroyed but it’s of no use if we don’t study it or follow his recommendations for how to resist the process.
Wishing us all genuine, unconditional well-being. I’m happy to respond to good-faith challenges to anything I’ve written here.
Thank you so much for your attention on this off-topic but, I believe, highly meaningful information.
James
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It wasn’t name-calling; owning nothing and sharing everything is as socialist as it can get! [Look at this thread for instance: How do you model land, forests, water sources (like wells) in hREA?] And it bothers the heck out of me!
And not without reasons! You see, all politicians are indeed socialists, and socialists are demons, well at least to an AnCap! Haha!
Nonsense!
Ain’t it? Ain’t it a reasonable idea?
Of course!
Screwing tax collection.
Why not? Can’t ‘law’ be produced on the free-market?
Not to us, not to anarchists!
Ain’t that “name-calling”? Hahaha!
I can sympathize with that… We libertarians make up for less than a percent of the general populace, and we do get misunderstood all too often…
It’s your common sense that I regard as absurd. I don’t get it, I simply don’t!
What is it that people all across the board, all over the world, so consistently believe that something as simple as law and policy cannot be produced on the free-market? Why can’t law enforcement be produced on the free-market? As long as there’s a demand for a service, the free-market can fulfill it. And that too a great deal more efficiently than any other mechanism. Democracy is EVIL: it benefits the few at the expense of the many; the 51% eats the 49%, and the 1% benefits (the 1% being the state-subsidized industries, the high-paid members of the successful trade-unions, and obviously the mega-rich bankers and hedge-fund managers gulping fresh dollars off of the state’s money-monopoly’s milky breasts); it’s a zero-sum game! Why isn’t that self-evident? Why are people so delusional so as to believe otherwise?
ON NUKE-PHOBIA:
Even if national-defense were a public good, it can still be produced on the free-market. There already are a great many examples of public goods being supplied by private corporations. And that’s assuming that it indeed was a public good, which it isn’t (strictly speaking; though it would make for a great debate; don’t have the time to elaborate unnecessarily).
No amount of convincing can persuade a reader (on this forum) unless they themselves proactively do a thorough, investigative, analytical research on the subjects covered… Even then, I believe people cannot change, and quite frankly, I can’t care less.
They’re all excuses! It’s not the first time – socialism operating under disguise.
Coming back to the context,
Here’s an article by a fellow Misesian: https://mises.org/wire/dystopian-fourth-industrial-revolution-will-be-very-different-first-one
Here’s an audio version of the same:
Ohh, the word ‘democracy’! Democracies can only be run by demagogues; there’s solid evidence; I mean, look at the feeble-minded nut running the office (not that there wasn’t already); haha, forgive the humor!
It’s great that you can see the line from Socialism to Democracy, and how Democracy, as a system for organizing society is superior to the Socialist one; however, it’s weird that such reasonable people (such as you) should fail to see the line from Democracy to Laissez-faire Anarcho-Capitalism, which by all means, is a great deal more efficient way of organizing a free society than Democracy can ever even dream of!
They’re not “institutions of society”, they’re “institutions of POWER”.
The so-called “institutions of society” that serve no good to the common man ought to be obliterated! Period!
Will be publishing something concrete soon (a Holochain implementation regarding the above notions, an implementation that I’ve been working on for the past 2 months; it’s taking longer than I expected though, thanks to some unforeseen computational and game-theoretic challenges…)…
Till then, bye.
Wishing you all happy-anarchy, (copying you, @concordis; hahaha)
– The A Man
Ben Nimmo (who created the Four D’s of Disinformation) said that at this point, disinformation is no longer about what’s true or false. It’s about getting people outraged and afraid. It’s the dynamic that matters.
And, so it is with the response to my previous post. The content is of no interest or importance. It could be anything, because they are not actually trying to collaborate or win me over with their arguments. They are simply engaging in divisiveness: contradict, make no sense, pretend special knowledge, etc, all in an attempt to emotionally destabilize the other. This is how narcissists - people who are constantly struggling to hide their soul-crushing shame from other people - trick and exploit the individuals in their personal orbit. They use these tactics because they work: DARVO, gaslighting, reality-upside-down lying, and (most importantly!) triangulation. Triangulation is what Steve Bannon was referring to when he said, “Darkness is good. Dick Cheney, Darth Vader, Satan. That’s power. It only helps us when they [liberals and the media?] get it wrong, when they’re blind to who we are and what we’re doing.” These tactics are now being used against the public via mass media and social media.
The last line of my previous post was the last nine characters of the md5sum of the next paragraph. I didn’t get everything right, but I hope that some similarities can be seen between what I predicted and what actually happened.
Footnote: this message is delivered in good faith. It contains some information which may occur to the original poster as challenging. Nevertheless, I approach with a spirit of collaboration and not power struggle. I predict that no meaningful conversation will take place between myself and the original poster. Instead, s/he will double down, play the victim, assert things about my inner world (my intentions, etc), and generally engage in the Four D’s of Disinformation [Dismiss, Distort, Distract, or Dismay (instill fear)] instead of responding in a spirit of collaboration which will result in peace and a shared reality.
These tactics are predictable because there is a method to their madness.
Wishing everyone the best,
James
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Thanks James. Your attempt to engage was a valuable learning lesson for me. While I don’t agree with everything you said. I’m not going to try to refute or discuss it because I’m not willing to take the time. It does leave me open to future discussion and a valuing of your perspectives.
Thank you. I appreciate your having shared that.
This is the root of all suffering and will end humanity, not climate change or some other man-made symptom.
Jung was right! https://books.google.es/books/about/Catafalque.html?id=GhPXuwEACAAJ
This is so interesting to me. The reality upside-down lying of T**** was often translated by Yale psychiatrist and 20+ year expert on violence, Dr Bandy Lee. An example: “Translation” of Donald Trump’s December 17, 2019, letter to Nancy Pelosi | by Bandy X. Lee | Medium It was all based on what you’re pointing to. Highly predictable. I 10,000% agree with you that this is the actual root of all evil in the world, at least in terms of what we can address and resolve through common-sense measures like making sure everyone has access to communication skills training (and making these skills high-status, as Jim Rutt of the Game B community believes). Anyway, don’t get me started! 
On a more on-topic topic, I’ve been having a hard time getting up to speed with coding Holochain. Who I can hire for a couple hours to help get me up to speed?
Maybe start a new thread somewhere specifically to ask for help with learning coding? Your request is a bit buried here in a conversation where the people who might be able to help you might not see it!
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Thanks. I’ll do that
WEF partnership sure raises concerns about Holochain’s true intentions. Maybe great for coin value but integrity of data and control I have less faith in now. WEF is the powerhouse of the world, and many would refer to as the root of modern human evil.
That said, I’m impressed with their 50th anniversary celebrations: aka the unique situation of the world today. It’s going to help fix a vast array of society’s ills this coming decade. Perhaps the end might justify the means.
I find it strange that people attribute “intentions” to Holochain, as if it were some kind of being with consciousness. Holochain is a new kind of technology. It doesn’t have intentions, any more than a hammer has intentions, or the Internet. You can use it as a tool to achieve your own intentions, so use it for good. If you don’t agree with WEF’s vision for the world, and you think Holochain is useful, then use it to make a better vision. It’s up to you.
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[I request everyone’s patience with another long, off-topic post. It’s inspired by a couple of other off-topic posts which I believe deserve a response. I hope this is helpful.]
About the idea that the WEF is evil: I believe that there are very solid reasons to believe that we are living in the middle of an information war.
In 2004, a “senior George W Bush White House aide” [most likely Karl Rove] told a reporter for the New York Times that he - the reporter - was living in what they called “the reality-based community.” He said that the world doesn’t work like that anymore, saying [paraphrasing]: “We are an empire now and when we act will create our own realities. And when we act again, we will create new realities. We are society’s actors and you - all of you - will simply write down what we do. That’s how it’s going to sort out.” Well, that’s exactly how it’s sorting out. Extremely skillful lying is determining the course of human events in the United States and elsewhere.
Unless someone understands the propaganda techniques, active measures techniques, and logical fallacies being used against them, they cannot possibly tell whether the media they are consuming is shared in good faith or not (most likely, not). That said, please understand that there are two goals of an information war: to distract the people with constant emotional destabilization and personal hardship, and to sow doubt regarding democratic institutions which serve to stabilize power structures. Media which supports these goals is likely based on lies.
If you believe, for example, that the State Department is occupied by George Soros, or that the elections - or any other (previous) shared source of truth (FBI investigations, courts, science, the media, …) - are untrustworthy, or that the police are a threat to law and order, or that the WEF is evil, those ideas have almost certainly been planted in your mind so that you will not defend those institutions when they are brought into existential crisis. The goal is to bring as many people as possible into believing that their friends and protectors are their enemies and that their enemies are their friends.
When Steve Bannon’s Cambridge Analytica used Russian money - along with hate, fear, and disinformation - to actualize Putin’s decades-long dream of breaking the UK off from the European Union, it’s time to take seriously Bannon’s assertion that “Darkness is good. Dick Cheney, Darth Vader, Satan. It only helps us when they [liberals and the media, according to the journalist he said this to] get it wrong, when they’re blind to who we are and what we’re doing.” He is essentially saying that he and his co-conspirators are manipulating people’s enemy images in order to get what they want. What do they want? Bannon is quoted as having said, “I’m a Leninist. Lenin wanted to destroy the state and that’s my goal, too. I want to bring the entire establishment crashing to the ground.”
I offer these couple of ideas in order to encourage you to be aware of the many reasons to believe that we are in the middle of an information war, and that that war has a purpose: the destruction of the establishment - the institutions of society. I believe that this is a perfectly predictable and extremely dangerous situation. I would argue that, unless you and the people around you own weapons of war and have been training in an armed “militia,” you are not among those who have been pre-selected to prevail in this situation and I recommend you seriously consider these ideas and take appropriate steps to protect yourself, your loved ones, and the institutions of society.
[Again, I request your patience and I hope this is helpful.]
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“Partnerships” have intentions though, no? Every enterprise and project has intentions. It’s not soulless, autonomous robots coding Holo - it’s a human entity based in a tax haven. Humans have intentions for every decision and plan - with a balance of good and bad that arise from inherent human emotions and triggers.
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Note that Holo the company is a bit different than Holochain, the framework. Blockchain doesn’t have intentions, but it is a structure/pattern that influences how it can be used. And, sure, the developers of Cardano are humans with intentions. In the same way, Holochain doesn’t have intentions, but it is a structure/pattern that influences how it can be used. And, sure, the developers of Holo are humans with intentions, and those intentions can manifest through partnerships.
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This conversation seems to have turned into free markets vs. perverted socialism/communism. Do we have to choose a school of thought or a party? I am not a disciple of either doctrines, only interested in the interest of the common people, in a humanist and selfish way, as these matters affect us all if we’re not part of the elite. Like 99% of us, allegedly.
My original post was questioning why the Holochain team is partnering with the world elite who are clearly at the root of the growing lack of real democracy.
If a moderator could ask the team to provide some details on this partnership it would be helpful.
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