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Is Non-Excludable the same as Non/Un-Encloseable?

And vice versa: is Excludable the same an Encloseable?

How similar are these two concepts? What is the difference?

Edit: is unenclosability basically just that it’s P2P and there’s no middlemen?

So that when two peers (peer A and peer B) want to do something there is no enclosure C (e.g. a corporate entity), around peers A and B?

A and B can cooperate while both being sovereign. So is this fact that they are sovereign also include that this happens because everything is above water, that it’s all happening in the open? Or at least visible for both parties (A and B)?

Edit 2: enclosability is the feature of capitalism because it is the ability/strategy to extract a rent, a toll or a tax? (without which the person does not have access to the resource)

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I was confused by the unencloseability metaphor introduced in the Medium series because I assumed it would represent a precise set of technical characteristics. But now I think of it more like a tendency that emerges from certain design/technical characteristics in combination with other factors, especially the human factor of commonly held values.

I have no doubt that some people who don’t hold the values underlying HC’s ability to facilitate unencloseability will figure out how to design HC apps that are effectively encloseable carriers.

Regardless, I would say that excludability is not necessarily contrary to unencloseability. In nature, there could be no life without membranes that differentiate one life form (cell, plant, animal, community) from another. And for the members of a living collective to coordinate effectively, they need to exclude non-members, in some ways, some of the time.

However, if a carrier is enclosed, i.e., centrally controlled, then the controller can arbitrarily exclude anyone from using the carrier. The encloseability precipitates a power imbalance — a shift away from individual sovereignty.

So I would say that unencloseability doesn’t eliminate exclusivity. Unencloseability democratizes exclusivity, which means empowering members to choose inclusivity as well.

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Thanks for this! It helps make it clearer for me

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