HApp Idea for Regenerative Circular Bio-Economies (Pilot)

Thanks @pauldaoust! Also thanks @mikeg - We’ll record the zoom call, would love to see how we could collaborate with RedGrid. I’m starting to look more deeply at value flows and REA so hopefully our systems can integrate. We’re definitely interested in collaboration within the Holo Ecosystem.

Hi @lynnfoster we actually met in one of our break-out groups on the Commons Engine class. You introduced me to REA at that time and I mentioned I was working on software for decentralized bio-digesters. We’re finally at a place where we started mapping flows. Since our conversation, I did my best to keep things to agents and resources. I’m still not super clear on how REA works, but did my best at mapping what I could.

I wonder if any of the work we’re doing for our pilot could overlap from the work you, @pospi, and @bhaugen are doing?

See some of our flows on our interactive geographic map (need most up to date browsers).

The interactive model is a place where we can really experiment to understand how this system works and expands, hopefully with a REA or Value’s flow model that integrates with other efforts.

Kamal and @srirup


@kamal hey yes, I remember well now, I think the very first break-out session. :slight_smile: (Memory is not my strong point, especially names!)

And thanks @pauldaoust for getting us into the mix, especially during your “sabbatical”!

Kamal, I’d be happy to help see how Holo-REA might fit with what you want to do from a data model perspective. (@pospi is the one deep into the code.) Or if meshing with RedGrid is better, that’s fine also of course. I can either attend your zoom session on the 7th or watch later, as a starting point.

By the way, will your software be open source?


Hi @lynnfoster, yes it was the first session! :slight_smile:

And we haven’t decided on open source yet, we’re still early in our design. I’m unfamiliar about some of the models on Holochain, I guess I assumed you could fork other projects. I’m still looking to understand the models for RedGrid, Holo-REA, JustOneOrganics and others. Is Holo-REA open source?

I have been studying cooperative economics for quite a while and it’s an important strategy for me. You can see how we’re thinking about data at the bottom of our map (scroll left default panel to bottom).

Happy to discuss more on the call on the 7th if you can make it. Will also post the recording here as well if you can’t join.

Thanks for connecting!

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Hi @kamal , yes Holo-REA is open source. You could fork it; or probably you could just use it and build “on top” or “beside” it. It’s meant as a “framework”, although we don’t really know how that plays out in practice yet. Any other project that is open source could also be forked. Different licenses have slightly different rules.

To be honest, I asked because I’m happy to help people with Holo-REA if what they are building will be in the commons (open source) - to me this seems critical at this juncture in history, time is short. Let’s help get bio-digesters everywhere! If not, I would spend my time elsewhere.


Got it, thanks @lynnfoster - Yes, that all make a lot of sense. I do see the need for open source and commons thinking with circular economy (including bio-digesters) so that it can scale more quickly. We also don’t have any holo developers in our group, and we’re eager to get a prototype up and running, whatever we can do to leverage what’s already built is ideal.

That being said, do you think it would make sense for our project to be a use case for Holo-REA? We have 3 main flows (food waste or “lasts”, liquid bio-fertilizer, & biogas) that we’re looking to understand how we can leverage Holochain. We do have a Nano Port on order with plans on installing at this facility below.



@kamal this mapping work you have done is incredible! Super excited to have connected with you. These are exactly the kinds of case studies the ValueFlows protocol is meant to support. Have you seen Lynn’s story about pie by any chance? I think it’s probably the most accessible and informative REA overview we have.

Otherwise, good to be in touch! Let us know how we can help. But yes- we’re building a lot of general purpose modules useful in circular economy, natural capital and supply chain accounting contexts; and it’s all open source. The Reflow project is also worth checking out as they are building out a parallel circular economy coordination platform on ActivityPub.


Thanks @pauldaoust, our team has been quietly working on these projects premised on a value-add manufacturing business model, and not an extractive/disposal business model. Decentralized community digesters help folks avoid externalities of centralized processing, while enabling hyperlocal and circular economies. The ultimate win!


Thanks @pospi! Super excited to connect to you as well, really glad to hear you’re working along permaculture, that’s my background as well! And yes, I have read the story about pie. I’m still wrapping my head around some of it, but I have been designing with agents and resources in mind and looking forward to learning how we could integrate with Holo-REA.

And thanks for sending ReFlow! We’ve been doing co-design sessions with the community in Seattle and Reflow will be super helpful as we think about flows. https://www.circularcitiesseattle.com/

And thanks for the modules information, I’ll look at it more in detail. We’re not developers so we’re hoping to tap into the community to help build some of this, and hopefully connect to the work Holo-REA has already done. @bear mentioned the community may want to help so hopefully we can chat more about that on our call on Tuesday?

@pospi, will you be able to join the video call on Tuesday at 11, PST?


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We need a shared calendar of events and calls on this forum so that we can maybe better avoid overlapping events :confused:
I am also interested in permaculture and ecology and would like to attend this call but its taking place right during the Holochain architecture course. Bummer…
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Thanks @Anton, great to hear about your interest in permaculture and ecology. Yeah a shared calendar sounds like a great idea. Also, we’ll record the call and try to send out bite size videos of what we’re doing so we can integrate to other projects. We’ll also do another call soon and hoping you can join.


hey @kamal ,

it’s Feli from the Portland event. Excited to learn about this project and the work you’ve done so far. I’m new to the PNW, but have been working with friends on resilience projects across the US and Mexico. Glad to meet people working on such projects here.

My background is in ecological design, political economy, and data science so this is right up my alley. I’ll be tuning into the meeting at 11 and looking forward to learning more.


Hey Feli @oro13, great to hear! Looking forward to seeing you on the call. I’m going to go into political economy a bit, so would appreciate your thinking there. Looking forward to continued collaboration with your resilience projects! Talk soon.

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Great information guys! you give me even more excitement about the future!

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@kamal sorry to have missed the call! Looking forward to the recording and doing a preliminary mapping to Holo-REA with @pospi

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Thanks all who could join today!

Here is the shorter edited version of our presentation, just before the questions. If you want the longer version, please direct message me.

https://youtu.be/08OPo6zWdlw?t=1. You can follow along with the Kumu map as well.

Looking forward to collaborating with the Holo community.

@kamal & @srirup


Thanks @lynnfoster - posted below, let me know if you have questions and happy to do another call around the Holo-REA overlaps.

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Hi @Anton here’s our recording from yesterday. Let me know if you have any questions or see any overlaps. Thanks! https://youtu.be/08OPo6zWdlw?t=1


Hi @mikeg here’s our recording from yesterday. Let me know if you have any questions or see any overlaps. Thanks! https://youtu.be/08OPo6zWdlw?t=1

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@carolyn @bear what do you think? Could we start putting these community-led calls onto the ‘official’ events calendar somehow?

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Yeah! @pauldaoust I try to put any public calls on the calendar if I am aware of them beforehand :slight_smile: